Can Italy’s inability in making comparisons undermine its credibility? Yes, if the political class maintains the detachment and slows down the change. Can dialogue be subversive? Yes, if the severe historical distances between the different cultures became shorter, as Pope Francis make them. A vivid comparison of the consequences of power.

Conversation with Luciano Fontana, author of Un paese senza leader, Longanesi, and Giancarlo Mazzuca, author of Noi Fratelli, Mondadori.

Aldo Cazzullo, Corriere della Sera‘s correspondent and columnist, dialogues with them.